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Egg recall: Industry is blaming consumers

Seeded on Mon Aug 30, 2010 12:19 PM EDT
Read ArticleArticle Source: The Des Moines Register
health, food, eggs, contamination, e-coli
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If consumers are being held accountable as the last line of defense in the food safety farm-to-fork line, then the egg industry needs to be explicit about it, says Carol Tucker-Foreman, an assistant secretary of agriculture under President Jimmy Carter who's worked on food policy at Consumer Federation of America for decades.

"Should egg cartons be required to carry a message that says 'Warning - to protect your health and the health of those in your household, you should assume that these eggs are contaminated with salmonella enteriditis and must be handled carefully in order to avoid possible illness?' " she asks.

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D DeMilo

unbelievable

  • 8 votes
#1 - Mon Aug 30, 2010 12:20 PM EDT
LogicalAbsurdity

But I wouldn't say unexpected.

  • 5 votes
#1.1 - Mon Aug 30, 2010 12:23 PM EDT
D DeMilo

no, not unexpected. and they'll probably get away with it

  • 7 votes
#1.2 - Mon Aug 30, 2010 12:27 PM EDT
cookin mama

that is crazy anyway to save there ass.

  • 5 votes
#1.3 - Mon Aug 30, 2010 1:02 PM EDT
AnnForTruth01

I watched show one day last week in which it is stated that eggs are contaminated because of the way chickens are housed, and because they're trying to produce more. Quantity over quality, so to speak. It was said that because of the abundance of chickens living in the same quarters, diseases are easily transferred from one chicken to the next and their eggs as well. And that they aren't being monitored for diseases as they should. Is anything safe to eat anymore?

  • 4 votes
#1.4 - Mon Aug 30, 2010 5:18 PM EDT
cookin mama

good question.

  • 2 votes
#1.5 - Mon Aug 30, 2010 5:24 PM EDT
D DeMilo

as our society becomes more dense from overpopulating and controls and oversight lapse as companies try to keep up with demand (and their own greed) more and more of the food chain will come under attack and compromise.

  • 3 votes
#1.6 - Mon Aug 30, 2010 5:53 PM EDT
AnnForTruth01

So true D DeMilo. I already limited the type meat/poultry I eat to fish, turkey, and chicken. Don't seem like fish or chicken is safe to eat anymore. Maybe I'll become a vegan.

  • 3 votes
#1.7 - Mon Aug 30, 2010 6:05 PM EDT
StevG-144

Not everybody knows eggxactly how to make them safe. They should be made to go over easily, the right way to make your eggs safe, all they are doing is passing the buck, and relieving themselves of the responsibility, so the yoke won't be on them.

  • 3 votes
#1.8 - Mon Aug 30, 2010 10:47 PM EDT
D DeMilo

hi Ann. unfortunately, the only truly safe meat these days is that which you raise yourself, buy from a farmer / rancher you know and trust or cook to the point of cremation (and cooking won't protect you from chemical components. even hunting no longer insures safe meats.

always cook meats to an internal temp of 160F. and maintain at that temp for 5 - 7 minutes.

do not buy any meats that have "moisture" or flavorings added. if there is a agrocer in your area that still has an old fashioned butcher counter, shop there. hanging beef and pork usually has no additives (they are added after the final trim and before packaging of pre-pakaged meats)

  • 4 votes
#1.9 - Mon Aug 30, 2010 10:59 PM EDT
AnnForTruth01

Thanks for the response D DeMilo. Considering my family aren't big on eating meats, it wouldn't be a task for me to exclude meats from our diet. It's a shame that we have to go to this extent to ensure a healthy diet. Survival shouldn't be this complex.

  • 3 votes
#1.10 - Tue Aug 31, 2010 6:03 AM EDT
D DeMilo

no it shouldn't but it's going to get worse before it gets better

  • 4 votes
#1.11 - Tue Aug 31, 2010 7:32 AM EDT
AnnForTruth01

no it shouldn't but it's going to get worse before it gets better

I have said this numerous times.

  • 3 votes
#1.12 - Tue Aug 31, 2010 7:38 AM EDT
D DeMilo

I've sent you an invitation to a group that might interest you

Doug

  • 3 votes
#1.13 - Tue Aug 31, 2010 7:57 AM EDT
AnnForTruth01

Thanks D DeMilo. I'm learning more and more about what this site has to offer to viners like us. I never realized individuals could be invited into groups. I clicked on the Group tab and several were pending for me to accept. Perhaps being a member of Newsvine does help us to become "smarter." I am not exactly sure when the invitation was sent, with the exception of yours. Thanks again.

  • 4 votes
#1.14 - Tue Aug 31, 2010 8:03 AM EDT
D DeMilo

always happy to help.

:)

  • 2 votes
#1.15 - Tue Aug 31, 2010 8:12 AM EDT
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Truth be told-1349420

Blaming the consumers! that's a laugh. How more audacious can someone be?
I think arresting and jailling all the hens would be less ridiculous even if they were forced to produce those eggs against their will. That's ... (don't know what to call it)

  • 5 votes
Reply#2 - Mon Aug 30, 2010 1:32 PM EDT
Dog_Blue

It is starting to sound like the food integrity in Mexico. Having lived and work in Mexico and other third world countries you learn to be very careful with food. The sanitary standards of the workers and food system in general would scare you. In the U.S. we supposedly pay the government to protect us from this but I am losing my confidence erodes daily. For one thing the workers in the industry need to be educated because the majority come from the same third world countries that have lacks food standards. The other thing is that the food industry insists on hiring third world workers to improve their bottom line ergo they increased profits should be made available through the court system to offset the injuries hoisted upon their customers. Fair is fair in this regard. Perhaps warning labels should simply state Consumer should not any any safety regarding this product . Use at your own risk.

  • 4 votes
Reply#3 - Mon Aug 30, 2010 2:10 PM EDT
Better Careful

The DeCoster family brought Mexico to the USA for us to enjoy. These people have been using illegal workers and running dangerous farms for years. This is another serious bad consequence of the illegal labor market. Illegal workers are not going to blow the whistle on unsafe conditions, and the farmer both knows this and relies upon it.

Do you know that in a dozen states it is illegal to speak poorly of farms like the DeCoster's? You can be charged with a crime for talking about the poor conditions there. Likewise, it is illegal to take pictures or videos of these farms. You can go to jail for that. Google "food slander" please.

George W. Bush got all anti-10th Amendment when a few states wanted better food labeling. Bush said, "No, you can't let people know what they eat." Industrial food is a crap-shoot. Good luck to all of us.

  • 6 votes
#3.1 - Mon Aug 30, 2010 2:50 PM EDT
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Justme-517872

Imo this particular issue shows how much power we really Don't have over the government. This is one of those rare issues where nearly all of us can agree we want to see improvement but I don't see any visible progress. Instead we're constantly bombarded with stories of contaminated foods, effects of chemicals in our food supply, and other lovely items. I buy local and buy organic but beyond that I just don't have the amount of money the lobbyistis do.

  • 3 votes
Reply#4 - Mon Aug 30, 2010 2:40 PM EDT
rochart

My grandmother says these folks a fraked up!!!

  • 3 votes
Reply#5 - Mon Aug 30, 2010 3:33 PM EDT
rochart

A further thought:

Any restaurant like IHOP, who puts such crap on the menu ought to be reported to the local health department immediately! They are basiclly saying that either they are serving contaminated food or that their cooking practices and hygiene are failures!!!

I worked in the food industry for 10 years managing, training and supervising there is no excuse!!!

If you see such a warning report them to you local health department, they are responsible for inspecting restaurants. If enough people complain they the restaurants will indirectly force the food producers to clean up their acts!!!

  • 3 votes
#5.1 - Mon Aug 30, 2010 3:45 PM EDT
D DeMilo

in one respect you are correct. as insulting as this latest statement is, it holds some truth; we, as consumers, hold power over these companies by chosing whether or not to partonize certain brands and companies (even restaurants). if we demand a quality stand of them and enforce that demand with withholding sales, we can effect change.

the question is, will we?

  • 4 votes
#5.2 - Mon Aug 30, 2010 6:04 PM EDT
bobbievee

If the producers insist on selling contaminated eggs, then I will no longer eat them... period.

  • 2 votes
#5.3 - Tue Aug 31, 2010 2:26 AM EDT
D DeMilo

or simply not buy any under those brands

  • 3 votes
#5.4 - Tue Aug 31, 2010 2:29 AM EDT
cookin mama

mine say they are from utah? did check to see if they were recalled

  • 1 vote
#5.5 - Tue Aug 31, 2010 11:14 AM EDT
D DeMilo

most brands are still safe. I've also posted a substitution list for anyone not wanting to trust eggs right now and applies to most uses for eggs

  • 2 votes
#5.6 - Tue Aug 31, 2010 11:22 AM EDT
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Better Careful

I would expect the industry to oppose any new food labeling. They always have.

Safety cuts into profits. It's cheaper to sell bad food, then mount a PR campaign after the fact. I'd say about 40% of my Newsvine webpages contain egg industry spin. How about yours? Are you getting their advertisement?

Google "food slander" for more sickening news. Corporations might have First Amendment protections in the USA today. We don't.

Are you feeling compliant?

  • 6 votes
Reply#6 - Mon Aug 30, 2010 4:13 PM EDT
D DeMilo

the key to protecting yourself from"food slander" actions, or any other slander claims for that matter, is to state only facts and have those facts and reports available as defense.

  • 2 votes
#6.1 - Mon Aug 30, 2010 6:06 PM EDT
Better Careful

Or have some very, very deep pockets. Oprah Winfrey was sued for saying, on air, that she wasn't going to eat hamburger. Her remarks came when the recall of hundreds of TONS of hamburger beef, and the sickness caused by poison meat, was in the news. She was taken to court. She won, but it was expensive. Let's be clear about this: Winfrey never told or even advised others not to eat hamburger; she simply said she wasn't going to.

I'm safe. Connecticut has no such laws. True, I might be open to some kind of interstate jurisdiction claims for posting online, but I'm not worried. I don't think the law is on their side.

And corporations have free speech when we do not. That's simply wrong.

  • 4 votes
#6.2 - Mon Aug 30, 2010 6:41 PM EDT
rochart

To paraphrase a patriot, "give me eggs benedict or give me death", in this case the egg industry will give you both!!!

  • 5 votes
#6.3 - Mon Aug 30, 2010 6:47 PM EDT
D DeMilo

rochart - Lmao...wish I had thought of that

  • 3 votes
#6.4 - Mon Aug 30, 2010 6:55 PM EDT
rochart

Mahalo, DDM

  • 2 votes
#6.5 - Mon Aug 30, 2010 7:29 PM EDT
D DeMilo

:)

  • 2 votes
#6.6 - Mon Aug 30, 2010 7:37 PM EDT
rochart

Further, in a bow to Dr. Suess "green eggs and ham I am."

The egg industry would have you be "green."

  • 2 votes
#6.7 - Tue Aug 31, 2010 3:30 PM EDT
D DeMilo

:)

  • 1 vote
#6.8 - Tue Aug 31, 2010 4:34 PM EDT
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Nofluer

A lot of food poisoning IS the consumer's fault. They don't cook meat thoroughly (it doesn't have to be burnt - just get it above a certain temperature!!!) Eggs... cook 'em!

And how could a place like an IHOP be held to purity standards of the eggs they cook and serve? They are not responsible for the product that arrives in a sealed "container". As long as they exercise reasonable care in the proper cooking and handling of that product, if it turns out to be contaminated, not their fault. Those menu warnings have been there for a LONG time... where have you been?

In the recent egg contamination situation, the last news I heard about it was that the contamination was the result of contaminated FEED delivered to at least two different egg companies. Yet all that we hear on the news is that the chickens are held in unsanitary crowded conditions. So?

Don't know how many of you have ever seen a chicken, but they're DIRTY by nature!!! Nasty things! BUT - that said, only the OUTSIDE of the egg comes into contact with the chicken's external environment - and the egg companies all wash and decontaminate the OUTSIDE of the eggs before they're shipped. So the contamination of the eggs happens INSIDE of the chicken - and the chicken's environment has NOTHING to do with the contaminated eggs. It's a closed process!!!!

How many people get salmonella from handling pet turtles? Or pet lizards? (Both of which routinely have salmonella bacteria on their hides/shells.)

Like the Alar/apple scare, too many people who know nothing about the food they eat or where and how it comes from make it easy for the enviro-freaks to promote panic over our food supplies. the USA has the cleanest food and water supplies in the world.

  • 1 vote
Reply#7 - Mon Aug 30, 2010 8:19 PM EDT
D DeMilo

to begin with, the same company that owns the two egg operations involved also owns the feed mill involved.

the USA has the cleanest food and water supplies in the world.

I would like to see your empirical data to support this statement. I have lived and worked all over the world and I have not found this to be the case - far from it.

  • 3 votes
#7.1 - Mon Aug 30, 2010 8:54 PM EDT
Nofluer

Must be an IMMV as I've been all around the world twice... on 5 of the 7 continents, and never had a problem.

Re the ownership of the feed Co... didn't know that. As Will Rogers used to say, "All I know is what I read in the papers."

:-)

  • 1 vote
#7.2 - Mon Aug 30, 2010 9:31 PM EDT
D DeMilo

most of my information on this comes from the CDC, USDA and FDA. this was not an "accidents happen" kind of incident, they had a recurring record of health and safety violations and violations relating to failed and falsified inspections.

as far as the statement; "the USA has the cleanest food and water supplies in the world." ; this was once the case, however, we now lead the world in biologic and chemical contaminants in our aquifers and biologic and foreign particle contamination of our basic food supplies. additionally, American meat suppliers continue to use chemical and hormonal augmentation in the production and preparation of meats. the USDA and FDA in 2008 also approved cloned animals for human consumption.

  • 3 votes
#7.3 - Mon Aug 30, 2010 10:02 PM EDT
bobbievee

From this story on Tainted Eggs and Food Safety:

Nearly 150,000 cases of egg-born salmonella in the United States are recorded every year, and the very latest FDA regulations don’t require hens to be vaccinated for it.

It would cost a penny an egg maybe - and we don’t demand it. In the U.K., it’s standard — and it cut salmonella there by 97 percent.

  • 3 votes
#7.4 - Tue Aug 31, 2010 2:50 AM EDT
D DeMilo

Let’s look at a few ways to eliminate the use of fresh eggs in cooking and baking. The easiest by far will be the dried egg product available in health food stores, on-line and in some grocery stores. These are by far the easiest to use.

You can also make your own using powdered meringue mix (a cake decorating item), non-fat dried milk or dry coffee creamer, yellow food coloring and water. The recipe is 2 Tbs. meringue powder, 1 tsp. milk powder or creamer, 3 Tbs. water and 2 drops yellow food color (optional) = 2 eggs

Egg Substitute Recipes (Each replaces one egg)

*It’s recommended not to replace more than 2 eggs per recipe.

1 tsp. baking powder + 1 1/2 TBS water + 1 1/2 TBS oil

1 tsp. baking powder + 1 TBS water + 1 TBS vinegar

2 TBS. water or milk + 2 TBS flour + 1/2 TBS shortening + 1/2 tsp baking powder

1 TBS. vinegar + 1 tsp baking soda

2 TBS. lemon juice + 1 tsp baking soda

1 TBS. cornstarch + 3 TBS water for each missing egg

2 TBS. arrowroot flour

2 TBS. potato starch

1 TBS. tapioca starch + 1/4 cup warm water (mix well & allow to gel a bit before using)

1 tsp. yeast dissolved in 1/4 cup warm water

1/2 banana, mashed (medium size) + 1/4 tsp baking powder

2 TBS. applesauce

3 TBS. mayonnaise

Flax Seed Egg Replacer
*Replacer for 1 egg

1 TBS flax seed (ground)
3 TBS water

  • Method #1: Simmer together on top of stove for about 5 minutes until the consistency reaches a thick, egg-white like consistency.
  • Method #2: Blend ingredients together in a blender or food processor until the mixture is thick and creamy. Refrigerate.
  • 2 votes
#7.5 - Tue Aug 31, 2010 3:53 AM EDT
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